well,
Time is only relevant in relation to Space and motion. if you find these functions also to be illusionary , then you can remove time. But to date , all seriously taken theory relies on them.
If you can produce a universe that needs none of the three ,or creates all three + has an energy constant which is contained equally in all spacial dimensions , then you begin to make sense of things.
when you consider how we measure time, there are patterns which don't ring true......Light speed is set as the maximum. It could well be just the maximum measure available to us , because if the theory of light speed / energy were true , we would need infinately LOWER or more sensitive equiptment to get a higher speed reading.What works one way works the other.
as it stands however, the math works against the light speed/ motion/mass theory because the only thing in the universe said NOT to be ruled by light speed is LIGHT. If the time /light speed theory were true , then light must travel inside the maximum speed where the timeline begins to run backwards.
When that is considered then in fact light cannot be moving at all. working back from relativity If light is the measure of time , then everything else is moving from it's point of view, but in a reverse manner. not backwards , but the faster we percieve in our relativity , the slower light percieves motion.

(If a woodchuck could chuck wood )

So light would not see a snail as going slowly at all , but relatively speaking , one of the fastest things in the universe, since , as we do , it must use it's own speed as it's relative motion , everything else is moving while it is standing still.

Hi Saucer

   they say all roads lead to Rome..

Extending my objections in the above post it creates a parallel between light and anything larger than itself.

   Because from lights relative perspective , enything larger would become a blurr, and allowing that the maths are consistent, there is any arguement to say that the only other thing capable of light speed is the entire universe
.....Smallest or largest matters not ....from either point of view , the other has unlimited potential energy.

    But Mass within the universes upsets the pathways for this by creating Variation in the smallest and largest, but is itself made of the same stuff. so , light speed opperates at both ends of scale and must share the middle ground.

   light speed has it's opposite , pushing back just as hard as light . nothing can travel at light speed but that it borrows the universe of it's opposite ....so two universes exits as one, driven by scale....going light speed (aslight)   pushing back at light speed....(as the universe)

cheers
iseason

Hi, Ise,

When you say that "the universe is the only thing the speed of light .." I think I agree with you there! Though, HOW does One define "THAT" mathematically? It sure would look GREAT on paper, eh?


By the way your First Post [to me]: IS VERY DIFFICULT, to Balance! Per se I do NOT see light as: A Measure Of Time! But as "exacting-thought" [in a way!] WHY SHOULD it necessarily measure Time? Afterall, its only a Photon [Packet\Wave.] MAYBE; IF we [Man] "prescribe" it a: "quantitative-fact" [..as it were..] in the form of Minutes/hours etc, we would be "appying our Brains" to a Problem, the same way one tackles a Crossword-puzzle!  ..IF "the Word" fits the vacant-squares it likely "IS" the "right-one!" ........

saucer  

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hi Saucer

   This is a counter to travelling at the speed of light takes unlimited energy for mass..
   It would be equally true for the universe to rebut that light was not in fact the object travelling at that speed, but itself. it is the only sufficiently large comparison. Anything smaller suffers from the universe travelling slower (therefore conversely faster) than it and therefore equal to light speed.

   So the energy arguement falls on it's ass basically ...

   As you said The theory of universal speed would look good on paper, but makes bad science.

   My rebut actually argues better as "why not to believe in light speed" In fact it could just as easily read " Motiom , The universes joke on us "

   Singular particle has very few holes , and Can work from the universes point of view without motion . when I decided that building a universe from the Most uncompressed made more sense , everything else becomes unnecessary.

Cheers
Iseason

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Quote: "why not to believe in light speed" In fact it could just as easily read " Motiom , The universes joke on us " End-quote.~

THE "difficulty .. " [ .. as I see it] Ise .. is this. ... -  IF WE as Human-beings are constituted [ie: 'made-up' of ... ] 'of' 'Molecules and Atoms ...' [ie: .. 'particles,' ... the same as 'light.' ..... ] AND, IF WE: [MAN] ..... 'KNEW'  "how to differentiate this," say: ie .. AS, 'A PHOTON' can be "discerned.." .... [ - .. A PHOTON IS RELATIVELY DIFFERENT to us ['res ipsa loquitur' ..AS:  Human-entities ARE ! ... ] .. ! .. ] ....  [s].. For this reason, then .. ~  .. 'particles' [...that Humans are 'MADE-OF'] are 'different' from .. our 'PHOTON/S' for reason/s:: 'Xs..!!' ...... THEN ....; -   'res ipsa loquitur': ..... to a definition .. and: [ .. a;] .. discovery, of .. ; the 'fundamentality' .. of our "arguement ! ! "   ..... !


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saucer


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Hi saucer

the difference with what I am doing is to not pre-empt the differing scales and interactions before I have established an unchallengable base.

   Singular particle theory does not intend to predict higher interactions which may result further up the scale..

   Step one = discovering or defining what constitutes one or a whole.
   Step two = discovering how the one can go from there to the next actual action.
   Step three = discovering the key to the above which leads us to greater energy interactions.


   So Far

   Smallest particle is most logical. But fails because of first causality.
   Largest expanded state of the smallest particle is much better.

   instead of beginning at the smallest (which is locical for first causality) I've gone to an equal actual value of energy within the expanded state. (a Photon volumized to the size of the universe)

   This created an environment that pre-exists first causality as the first state. Then follows

    First compression of Largest state to most compressed
    reversion to expanded state
    second compression to most compressed.

   Here causality begins. Since the most compressed cannot meet itself , it must see the position it previously occupied as the LEAST DESIRABLE.
   Therefore it chooses a position furtherest from the other particle position. (note it is a position only as the new occurrence is the actual particle)
   So far the cycle has not progressed very far , but several things have changed...now two positions are unavailable for occurence by the compressed particle. on the third cycle the particle must take note of the positions of the previous two and choose a geometrically nutreul position. (likely a triangulation)
    And so it continues.

    Each cycle also affects the expanded . There are so far three less positions within it's parameters. As this continues , the energy when in reverts to expanded has that much volume less (internally) and therefore that much pressure building.

  Like dropping peas into a pot of water , but with not ability to expand.

Cheers
Iseason

Back again.

    this is going nicely.

    There are now four states of matter to account for. They form a loop which keeps everything neat....

     They are
    Most compressed energy
    Least compressed energy
    Anti-Most compressed energy
    Anti-least compressed energy
 
    The last two are occupying states or laws , rather than actual 'things', but must obey the actions and influence the other two.

    This is how it fits. The least compressed state(the universe), changed to Most compressed. The necessity is to have something present as the universe while this is occuring.
    Anti- most compressed is now the size of the universe, less the equal volume of the current state (most compressed).

Because all laws must have equaling values , when the energy reverts to least compressed, it must leave this position behind.
It cannot return to occupying the entire universe. (otherwise it meets itself)as uncompressed.

     I have already said as much , but have not qualified it.The expanded state now has the "anti-matter" as a duality mirroring it's own changes in state..

   Can "anti-matter" uncompress and compress? I don't think so . But it can be displaced, by changing compressions of the two real states. So we are back to three causal states and four "apparent" states...
  Fortunately this still adds to one.

Cheers
Iseason  

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