Quantum , as far as I understanding defines this packets of energy which randomly appear.   but why wouldn't you want to quantisize "quantum?

I mean, if we use it as a tool to understanding greater activities , then quantum bears some scrutiny.

For instance.
1. What is a quantum?
2. hou can A quanta verify it's own "qualification and therby quantify itself.

you will be ablt to refer to other posts i have here which seek to find through causality that this means that only one particle actually exsists.

Problems occuring by this method are that interactions are impossible (it is the only object..

The solution comes from seeing it as the nly particle, and in fact the 'largest particle that exists"

This change means a better understanding of what quantum contributes.

1. If I start at a point in scace, then I must immediately be able to affect my surroundings.
2. If I can do this then there must be surroundings to affect.

Original causality has already been violated.

If However , the original causality was spread evenly across the univers.this means there is a constant.(maximum)

If the particle can also inhabit the point of maximum compression of it self.  this now becomes the size of a quants.

To recap.....the quanta as we know it is the result of takin thinly distrubed energy and conpressing it until in can create a quanta of energy.

Because it does not lock it into creating huge event at a time, but only itself, there if no change in process. it is constant.

this cycle is repeated again and again.each is the 'instanst in the quanta which science is searching for.

But how can one Quanta create the universe?

simple

If the initial state was for it to spread accross the universe,then reduction makes most sense.internall moving, collecting itself up to one point creates the greatert gathering of itself.
Time and space do not yet exist, so the cycle that runs must not reduce to the same point.

Therefore , there is now a time line and now two instances of the same particle.these two cannot occur in the same place and must find alternative position for the second instence...


now we have time and space. only the second and first instences are seperated by an impossible barrier.to ever actuattly meet itself would have catastrophic consequenses.

So up thr rythum of the cycle somewhat and a picture of the big bang occuurs.But ONE QUANTUM at a Time.even if it seems thst millions of events occur at the same , they haveone thing which binds them.

a singuler particle

The biggest particle in the universe

Cheers
Shawn

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Hi Iseas. GREAT GREAT Post! I think your Post is along the lines of "Particle-duality," no ..if I am not mistaken?



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Hi Saucer.

I hadn't thought in those terms. But certainly it is great that this behavour fits as well.

  I couldn't see any way out of the causality loop when the singular particle had to move in order to create anything.

  the answer had to lay at the other end of the hall of mirrors.Not as the biggest particle , but the same 'smallest particle which could affect the whole universe with a constant behaour without energy used or gained.
  This was only possible by a singular behavour.contraction and expansion from one state to another state.

  the law of causality is preserved because nothing happenned in a true sense except that the particle repeated a cycle.Nothing that we percieve actually exists.

  To keep the universe "real" the occurrence of the particle is random. Not only as to where in the universe it appears but when it appears.The last event has already happened and the first is yet to occur. This is because the particle has no measure of time and space. It matters not where it will appear next as the distance to compress to quanta is no different and takes the same amount of 'time'.
  Because the behavour is finite , the timeline has no defined shape.Imagine trying to work out the pathway of a trillionth of a second. Truth is that it would resemble a grey shaded page if you were creating a graph.

   another behavour which gels is motion in macro.

   since the particle ends up "being everywhere at once" the motion of the planets moves us (as solid objects) into the pathway of the next instance of quantum for our reality.Without the illusion of motion , the quanta would have to occupy space that it had already been.
   So now motion is no longer the particle "moving " through a medium. In fact "medium " is now redundant for it's motion.


  Cheers
Iseason

Hi Ise,


I definately think that Particle-duality and its solution is fundamental to a solution of "a Grand QM theory," maybe, "ALL OF PHYSICS" prehaps!


saucer

hi Saucer

 i have seen a few paralells in line with duality enough to look for it.
 one strange aspect to this "singular particle veiw" is that intelligent design is both proven and disproven.
 Intelligence requires interaction. If you interact, at any point, You break several laws which define physics. the cheif of these being causality.The process whereby something 'causes something else' is entirely a human thought.
 If the particle is the original object, there can be no build-up of matter or mass or in fact any reality except itself.To create a universe that we percieve as whole the particle must revisit the ground it has already crossed + 1 pixel space. But not necessariliy in order of the timeline we understand.
 Let's say the original particle had nil intelligence. It just was. Then it 'occurred' in every point in space, as quanta. By necessity , it contains in it's expanded state , the occurrances, and thereby the buildup of occurances until even at it's most expanded state , it is as dense as it's quanta state.
 Where once duality was one thing,(a single particle), now duality is several hundred million billion ( huge number) of differing states , without adding a single bit of energy.
 the rule of the particle not meeting itself only applies to "quanta state" or "expanded state". since both contain varying proportions of both, from full expansion to lowest quanta, the crossing of states creates 'possibilities of interaction ' or likelihood of greater or lesser interaction.
 Remember "like attraction".

 The likelihood of the same level of quanta is a reverse process to the timeline we observe.

  Consider the way computers have evolved or animals , or the universe itself.If God Were in exsistence as an intelligent being at the beginning , He breaks causality.BUT. If the particle became aware of itself (or the possibilities of itself) at sometime in the 'future' , then causality is preserved.
  If we took the first humble attempt at biological 'life' or the first attempt at computing, there is a theme .That simmilar behaviours begat improvements on the last.
  Everything builds,becomes top heavy and falls over, then builds a new structure.

  The chief proof of this is motion.Without it the particle occupies one point in space, but because all of space moves, even stationary objects are travelling at great speed , it shows that matter is regulated at one to the average of the universe
  The point where things began to be laid out in order is where intelligence began , since to do so required not only recognition of a single point to revisit and replicate , but replicate exact clones of minerals and atomic structure all over the universe.and then to understand that laws existed within the structures which needed to be observed .

  There is one failure in all of this that points to opposite states.Not that of most expanded or quanta, but the centre point , which would be equal.That is where causality became relevant and intelligence began. There where by necessity, two equal and opposite 'occurence levels ' of both expanded and quanta occur.
  think of water as having atoms , but can be in two cups despite being one cup of water.This happened when the quanta had occupied every point in space as quanta(the universe could be halved).Then the universe could be broken up into many more units from really big to really small, because although the quanta could still only occupy one pixel in space,it could PLACE ITSELF IN A POSITION WHEREBY THE RESIDENT OCCURENCE NEED GIVEWAY.
  This is likely by co-operation by two occurences, creating motion in a particular direction(even outwards motion of many occurances)in all cases the pathway "eats up the occurences as it goes" Each "bump" caused by the presence of the actual particle causes a chain reaction which cannot be stopped.infinate numbers of occurences are destroyed in this process or at the very least  changed .If a quant appears then a quanta occupying that space must "hide itself" by being more than a single quanta.

   Over time the variables most likely to rule this process were positive or negative and these were the way occurrences hid from the original quanta. if it were one , the resident must become two.One and two can create infinity,and then we can have causality.

Cheers
Iseason

Hi Saucer

  the particle is having a few more doors closed on it which is fine.
  each door that closes means a pathway is reduced from overall possibilities.
   In another chat , the statements of Quantum being " a packet " are accepted , and some could argue that the expanded Particle must be a packet of energy. This makes it necessary for the particle to be "normal" in it's expanded state and Variable in it's expanded state only.

    The starting particle must be equal to a quanta (or energies minimum), Spread out in the volume of the greater universe.This must be a real state and had existed in the beginning.As the first Quanta or Smallest compressed energy appeared, it created the first 'non-recycleable' position in space.
    The effcet of this is a change in the uncompressed energy. Even though it is the same energy spread over a great distance, it is an equally undestroyable amount.So the energy must still be worth a quanta , but it must use less of it's are to do so.
    this results in a variation in the pressure of space by one quanta of area with each cycle. This gives a loop that preserves the energy chain while allowing a difference in each cycle , creating diversity. No two unexpanded energy states can be the same, but every compression is equal.

   The road to knowledge and memory is helped by the neccity that the compressed choose it's next occurrence in order to balance the energy of the expanded state. So it will choose a position as far away from the 'no-go' area as it can.

   further down the cycle , the options for this reduce along very defined lines as more and more areas become 'unusable'.
   Meanwhile the expanded quanta is getting closer to an even pressure , and in the end will have the same density as the compressed energy.Intelligence and order develop , not in respect to the compressed energy, but by the pathways that are created within the expanded energy.

   the story ends with the compressed quanta energy being able to become a point of reality in it's own right. The expanded energy no longer exists only via the compressing to the other state.on The last cycle there are two quanta of equal value and compression.  Two Quanta have no problem revisiting the positions of the 'no-go' since the energy has changes.
   Only the original particle can create it's "hologram" in this way.The area of the expanded particle still exists and becomes a medium . Only after the two particles "reset" each position , can the particles return to them as independants...Selection of events can now begin and we can begin to have greater values than one.

Cheers
Iseason

QUOTE:  Quantum , as far as I understanding defines this packets of energy which randomly appear.   but why wouldn't you want to quantisize "quantum?  ENDQUOTE~


This is a question Physicists have been asking themselves for 50 yrs, Ise. I think it started with Maxwell, more or less, AND EM [ Electromagnetism]!

saucer

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Iseason wrote : hi Saucer  i have seen a few paralells in line with duality enough to look for it.  one strange aspect to this "singular particle veiw" is that intelligent design is both proven and disproven.  Intelligence requires interaction. If you interact, at any point, You break several laws which define physics. the cheif of these being causality.The process whereby something 'causes something else' is entirely a human thought.  If the particle is the original object, there can be no build-up of matter or mass or in fact any reality except itself.To create a universe that we percieve as whole the particle must revisit the ground it has already crossed + 1 pixel space. But not necessariliy in order of the timeline we understand.  Let's say the original particle had nil intelligence. It just was. Then it 'occurred' in every point in space, as quanta. By necessity , it contains in it's expanded state , the occurrances, and thereby the buildup of occurances until even at it's most expanded state , it is as dense as it's quanta state.  Where once duality was one thing,(a single particle), now duality is several hundred million billion ( huge number) of differing states , without adding a single bit of energy.  the rule of the particle not meeting itself only applies to "quanta state" or "expanded state". since both contain varying proportions of both, from full expansion to lowest quanta, the crossing of states creates 'possibilities of interaction ' or likelihood of greater or lesser interaction.  Remember "like attraction".  The likelihood of the same level of quanta is a reverse process to the timeline we observe.   Consider the way computers have evolved or animals , or the universe itself.If God Were in exsistence as an intelligent being at the beginning , He breaks causality.BUT. If the particle became aware of itself (or the possibilities of itself) at sometime in the 'future' , then causality is preserved.   If we took the first humble attempt at biological 'life' or the first attempt at computing, there is a theme .That simmilar behaviours begat improvements on the last.   Everything builds,becomes top heavy and falls over, then builds a new structure.   The chief proof of this is motion.Without it the particle occupies one point in space, but because all of space moves, even stationary objects are travelling at great speed , it shows that matter is regulated at one to the average of the universe   The point where things began to be laid out in order is where intelligence began , since to do so required not only recognition of a single point to revisit and replicate , but replicate exact clones of minerals and atomic structure all over the universe.and then to understand that laws existed within the structures which needed to be observed .   There is one failure in all of this that points to opposite states.Not that of most expanded or quanta, but the centre point , which would be equal.That is where causality became relevant and intelligence began. There where by necessity, two equal and opposite 'occurence levels ' of both expanded and quanta occur.   think of water as having atoms , but can be in two cups despite being one cup of water.This happened when the quanta had occupied every point in space as quanta(the universe could be halved).Then the universe could be broken up into many more units from really big to really small, because although the quanta could still only occupy one pixel in space,it could PLACE ITSELF IN A POSITION WHEREBY THE RESIDENT OCCURENCE NEED GIVEWAY.   This is likely by co-operation by two occurences, creating motion in a particular direction(even outwards motion of many occurances)in all cases the pathway "eats up the occurences as it goes" Each "bump" caused by the presence of the actual particle causes a chain reaction which cannot be stopped.infinate numbers of occurences are destroyed in this process or at the very least  changed .If a quant appears then a quanta occupying that space must "hide itself" by being more than a single quanta.    Over time the variables most likely to rule this process were positive or negative and these were the way occurrences hid from the original quanta. if it were one , the resident must become two.One and two can create infinity,and then we can have causality. Cheers Iseason

QUOTE:    Intelligence requires interaction. If you interact, at any point, You break several laws which define physics. the cheif of these being causality.  ENDQUOTE~


Hi Ise,


In this Respect "AWE must try.." and, "BE a Surgeon!" Causality IS ONLY: Cause & effect! TRUE to our being WE are Senitents [with consciousness,] SO it follows; WE ARE ABLE break "..these laws.." AND: We end-up with ~ Reason! This is Man's: Imperature!
 

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Iseason wrote : Quantum , as far as I understanding defines this packets of energy which randomly appear.   but why wouldn't you want to quantisize "quantum? I mean, if we use it as a tool to understanding greater activities , then quantum bears some scrutiny. For instance. 1. What is a quantum? 2. hou can A quanta verify it's own "qualification and therby quantify itself. you will be ablt to refer to other posts i have here which seek to find through causality that this means that only one particle actually exsists. Problems occuring by this method are that interactions are impossible (it is the only object.. The solution comes from seeing it as the nly particle, and in fact the 'largest particle that exists" This change means a better understanding of what quantum contributes. 1. If I start at a point in scace, then I must immediately be able to affect my surroundings. 2. If I can do this then there must be surroundings to affect. Original causality has already been violated. If However , the original causality was spread evenly across the univers.this means there is a constant.(maximum) If the particle can also inhabit the point of maximum compression of it self.  this now becomes the size of a quants. To recap.....the quanta as we know it is the result of takin thinly distrubed energy and conpressing it until in can create a quanta of energy. Because it does not lock it into creating huge event at a time, but only itself, there if no change in process. it is constant. this cycle is repeated again and again.each is the 'instanst in the quanta which science is searching for. But how can one Quanta create the universe? simple If the initial state was for it to spread accross the universe,then reduction makes most sense.internall moving, collecting itself up to one point creates the greatert gathering of itself. Time and space do not yet exist, so the cycle that runs must not reduce to the same point. Therefore , there is now a time line and now two instances of the same particle.these two cannot occur in the same place and must find alternative position for the second instence... now we have time and space. only the second and first instences are seperated by an impossible barrier.to ever actuattly meet itself would have catastrophic consequenses. So up thr rythum of the cycle somewhat and a picture of the big bang occuurs.But ONE QUANTUM at a Time.even if it seems thst millions of events occur at the same , they haveone thing which binds them. a singuler particle The biggest particle in the universe Cheers Shawn

QUOTE;   But how can one Quanta create the universe?  END-QUOTE~


Hi Ise, I do NOT see a Correlation to ANYTHING [ IN this question!] In "the-formation of the  Early Universe" There HAD TO BE A "Primal Quanta!" SO YOUR QUESTION MAY BE INVERTED!


saucer

  Hi sauser
  there has been some progress as to how the law has been able to work without being broken. variety is the chief tool that can allow it to be possible.

   We can break it up into several levels of 'waves' or noncrossing states.

   1. expanded quanta ' (or smallest) energy level to contracted quanta.
   once the energy has occupied every point in space barr two , there is an equalibrium which is trapped between the space. This space is equal to two condensed state quanta.
   Now the compressed state of quanta is occupying double the area in it's compressed state..The expanded state is as always, but the compressed state fills the void twice as fast.

  2. when this cycle completes itself the expanded state is backed into a corner by two spaced quanta equalling three.
  3. the cycle begins again with three as the measure.

  This can work up till the quantity of quanta spaces is equal to half. meaning that the cycle of the universe starts by filling the space one energy average at a time , then two , then three.
   at the halfway mark when the cycle can only meet equal energy , the process is held up.This doesn't mean it stops , just that this point is nuetral. the process continues in the negative on the other side of equalibrium.
cheers
Iseason

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Ise, I have found this Url of a WebSite with some interesting write.


http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast123/lectures/lec07.html



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